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PostSubject: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:35 pm

Hey all, I've been trying to figure out how much chakra I've been using in a given post. Taking a look at the Chakra Guide, I realized that it's kind of confusing. It tells you how many of each rank you can do; but because it deals with each rank of chakra individually and at each level, it's difficult to see how they all fit together. If you have about 90 stamina, and you use 20 D rank techniques, 15 B rank techniques, an S rank techniques and an SS rank technique, how much stamina do you have left?

I came up with a new system that simplifies it a bit.

For every point in Stamina a person has, they receive 10 Energy; until 100 Stamina. After that, for each point in Stamina, the person gets 5 Energy.
Ie:
50 Stamina = 500 Energy
100 Stamina = 1000 Energy
150 Stamina = 1250 Energy
200 Stamina = 1500 Energy

Rank - Energy Cost
D - 20
C - 25
B - 35
A - 55
S - 100
SS - 150

Using the previous example of the person with 90 stamina, we can do some simple math.
20 (D) * 20 = 400
15 (B) * 15 = 225
1 (S) * 100 = 100
1 (SS) * 150 = 150
=875

With 25 / 900 of their Energy left, this person has used up a lot of their strength. Of course, all of these calculations would take place on a post by post basis, so it would be very easy to quickly do the math right at the bottom of the post.

This adheres loosely to the current system. It's not a perfect switch, but it's very close. At 200 stamina, someone can use 13 SS rank techniques, like before; but they can use 75 D ranks (instead of 70). The numbers could be altered to fit them more religiously, but then the numbers get a little more ugly. What do you guys think?

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:00 pm

This system would be more accurate, and sensible, and like Rivu said, less confusing.  Seems like a good idea.  This would also work with the chakra recovery system.


I would like to suggest the over 100 thing be rethought though.  Instead of down by 5, maybe increased by 5.  Those with more stamina then 100 are supposed to be much stronger on the chakra front as is, the word gods being thrown around.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:17 pm

I lowered it because of how the current system has the numbers. At the maximum stamina they currently list, you can use 13 SS rank techniques. This way allows for 12. If you increase it it by an additional 5 at this point, it would be overpowered; it would allow for 2500 Energy, or 20 SS techniques. They are gods, but that stems from the fact that they are over 100, not that it provides any more of a bonus. In this case, it's more a balancing factor for the gameplay's sake.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:21 pm

This is just a cosmetic change then, while also lowering the amount of jutsu you can use. Obviously, by the current numbers, if you use 2 c-ranks jutsu, it's like using 1 b-rank. It's easy, if you take the time to think about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:16 pm

I think it is a good idea, it is definitely easier to understand than the previous one.  You have my vote!

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:27 pm

I changed the numbers to better fit the current scale. Now the only changes add to the amount of potential techniques, not lower. However, I made this to become a cosmetic change. Not all of the ranks behave similarly enough to make them easy to deal with.

(Math done from numbers on the Chakra Guide)
C ranks are about 20% more expensive than D ranks (max D ranks at 200 / max C ranks at 200)
B ranks are about 25% more expensive than C ranks, etc.
A ranks are about 33% more expensive than B ranks
S ranks are about 50% more expensive than A ranks
and SS ranks seem to be about 8% more expensive than S ranks

Nagako, Its confusing and that much is clear by your comment. 2 C rank techniques are about 1.25 B ranks based on the above.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:41 pm

Those seems really good. I think that SS rank techniques should cost 1.5x or higher than S ranks though. Maybe SS = 2 S's?

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:55 pm

I was trying to hold true to the current system on the sight; but I agree, to an extent. From a gameplay perspective, doing this many SS rank techniques is insane, granted, that is the maximum. When we consider that a stamina of 100 is Naruto with access to Kyuubi's chakra, 200 makes doing 13 SS rank techniques seem fairly reasonable.

Either way, the system can be altered to suit whatever needs, it's just easier to read than the current page.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:52 pm

I just don't like the idea of an energy bar.

But that's me personally. I agree something needs to change, though, if the numbers are like that.

Like, 100 stamina gives you 10 SS-rank, or 20 S-rank, or 40 A-rank, 80 B-rank 160 C-rank, 320 D-rank.

Or something like that. *shrugs*

Of course, if you get the other staff on your side, you could get an energy bar. ;-)

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:11 pm

I totally agree with avoiding the use of an energy bar. Perhaps the designed system could be tweaked to still retain the clarity of how much chakra one is using but a lower enfaces on the exact numbers. I feel it might make fights feel a little duller. But then again it hasn't be en tested yet :3

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:01 pm

I agree that the numbers are less than ideal, but the current system uses them to. Don't think of it as an 'energy bar,' try to think of it as as a gauge that you can use to RP better. Say you do this system and you're down to 200 / 400 chakra, you as a writer can more easily tell yourself that you should start acting more tired, perhaps pant a little bit. While it may be less appealing because of the numbers, you could simply hide them away in a spoiler. It's just easier to keep track of than amounts of usable techniques.

At the end of the day, it's virtually identical to the current system, just easier to manage.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:56 pm

I like the whole number thing. Thinking of the amount of chakra you have left/your maximum capacity in integers is really cool/useful in my opinion. I know I'm not a mod or anything but you have my vote! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:02 am

I wrote a whole post on this but then it got deleted by my phone >.<
Anyway, this system makes it easier to know how much chakra is used. Example: Sasuke uses LRA, he had 500/500CP (Chakra Points) and now has 400/500CP left. If we used the current system, Sasuke would have to remove 1 S rank from his chakra amount, as well as 2 A ranks, 4 B ranks, 8 C ranks, 16 D ranks, and 32 E ranks... Which is quite more work than just removing a set number, like 100.
So, you have my vote for this new CP system or what ever you wanna call it.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:00 pm

How does this work regarding bonuses from combat skills and such? For instance as a ninjutsu master my stamina is increased by 30 but only when using ninjutsu techniques... So how does that affect my total? Because normally I guess that gives me an extra 'tank' of chakra worth 300 points right? but what if that goes over the 100 stamina bar? Then its different :/

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:45 pm

Used Techniques:
 

I recently was involved in a post, in a topic with you, actually haha. I put the above spoiler at the end of my post listing my used techniques and how much chakra they cost me. Now, I have 40 stamina at base, I get 10 from my KKG and another 10 for my skills in Ninjutsu. I combined the KKG and base to make the 500 fatigue at the top, below it I added the mastery's fatigue.

Now, obviously you can use fatigue to use Ninjutsu. The Ninjutsu Fatigue, however, can only be used for Ninjutsu.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:53 pm

cool, sounds good to me

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:27 am

Okay, lay it all out as an official new chakra guide and I'll post it.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:50 pm

Chakra Guide

For every point in Stamina a person has, they receive 10 Energy; until 100 Stamina. After that, for each point in Stamina, the person gets 5 Energy.
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Below are the costs of chakra for each rank of technique.

Rank - Energy Cost
D - 20
C - 25
B - 35
A - 50
S - 100
SS - 150



It's easy to keep track of on a post by post basis, simply add up each used technique based on their ranks and costs above. For instance, if you use a D rank and two C ranks in a post, you have used up 70 Energy (25+ 25 + 20).

You can keep track of your energy consumption at the bottom of each post like so.

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At first, list the rank and name of the techniques that you used with the chakra cost in parenthesis. This amount may change based on Special Abilities, Combat Skills or Techniques; simply write out the reason for a change in cost, if applicable.

Below that is your Fatigue ratio. On the left is how much chakra you have used, on the right is how much chakra you have to spend. As the amount of techniques you use rises, continually add to this amount. If the stamina is not for a specific type of attack, it may be added to the original fatigue tracker, but you must account for where it came from.

If you have reserved chakra supplies for specific types of consumption, then you may add a different ratio to make things easier. For instance, being a Ninjutsu master gives you 30 stat points of Stamina for those types of attacks. Since this chakra can only be used on Ninjutsu, it is separate.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:14 pm

Thats almost perfect but you need to explain a little more about the bonus fatigue bars and stuff. I know you explained it to me in a previous post but it should say it here as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:23 pm

Zen'no Sozonushi wrote:
Thats almost perfect but you need to explain a little more about the bonus fatigue bars and stuff.  I know you explained it to me in a previous post but it should say it here as well.

This. Late it out nice and simple for those who are reading it for the first time. Great work, though! That actually looks very efficient.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:16 pm

How's that?

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:27 pm

I like it. The updated version gives a pretty thorough explanation of it all. Good work.

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PostSubject: Re: Potential Change to the Chakra System   Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:28 pm

Beautiful my friend. So is this officially the new chakra guide now? Or do we wait for Nakago to repost it under rules and regulations?

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